I interviewed my new Celibate Guy Friend (CGF). It was an hour long conversation, and have edited it down for convenience.
CGF is 33 years old, and here’s what we talked about…
Me – What does Celibacy mean to you?
CGF – Initially celibacy meant restrictions or resistance in regards to sex, but now it has shifted to anything regards to trying to get something from someone: getting a phone number, going on dates. I was advised by my spiritual teacher to take a “left instead of right”. I have always taken a “right” and was looking for women to be with “in a special way”. I didn’t like the word and my teacher didn’t use the word celibacy. He said “why don’t you try putting that down for a second, and see what that feels like…”
I’m reading a book right now called “Special Relationships”, and it says that if love is real, there is no specialness around it, no special woman with whom I am to give a special love to.
Me – Do you feel that because we’re diving in the opposite direction, we are removing ourselves from love and being shut down and staying clear of commitment, keeping yourself safe?
CGF – Do you mean ‘am I trying to fill this hole in myself, and is there a “fix” in doing that…?’ Right now in my own journey it goes much deeper than that. I believe it is ALL God, or essence, or universe (whatever you call it, I call it God), there is a oneness that permeates all of life and the ego is separate. In order for the ego to sustain we fixate on the idea that we are separate from God, but in reality I never left home (God).
When I was in relationships, I would feel THAT was my God and I would make that my “home”.
I believe there is a way I/we can remove the ego and feel the oneness and can connect with a woman in that oneness and pure and raw and real. Up until now, I had thought a relationship was what I had read about when I was a kid. It was fantasy. Now, Celibacy means Love is not special it just is.
I am not engaging with women in the same way anymore. There are all those feelings that still come up, but I am able to BE with them in a different way now.
Me – How long have you been celibate?
CGF – you mean how many times have I attempted to be celibate?
My personal path has been a pretty disruptive path. I’ve had a lot of sexual experiences. I don’t shame myself. I was in a mind-set that was cut off from God, and the ego feeds off of shame, fear etc.
7 years ago I committed to start looking at my life and my behaviors. I could see that I wanted to choose something else. I could see my path was destructive and I was on an unconscious road. I wanted to wake up…
Me – did you have help from any of the women or teachers in your life that said something to you about your behavior? Helping you bring your consciousness to another level…?
CG – I have been sober for over 7 years, and had started reading different spiritual books – Ekar Tolle, Peony Melody, Shakti Gawain. I started opening up my mind and seeing differently. That furthered my insight and I started understanding my behaviors. And, Unfortunately I have journeyed through those alone. I say unfortunately because one of the thoughts or beliefs that I tell myself is that I could only learn through pain and suffering. It’s through our own identification with ego that makes us create these ways to learn. I continued to learn through the obstacles.
I had teachers for the past 7 years…my sponsor for sobriety, my friends…etc…
There is a breaking point for everyone, weather you’re an alcoholic and you kill yourself, there will be a point where you’ll hit the bottom. Everyone’s breaking point is different. You can’t continue to choose unconsciousness when your essence is consciousness. I just finally came to the point where I saw that I cannot fight the darkness anymore, and realized that the light comes in quick because it never left. The only reason it was dark was because I resisted it.
My personal choice of spiritual practice right now is “A Course of Miracles” – and I am reminded that if God is reality and God can’t not be reality, then everything outside of God is not reality, therefore it doesn’t exist.
Getting back to celibacy. I’d say it’s been about 3-4 years where I’ve been consciously aware of my thoughts around sex….
Where as before when I just found sobriety, I wanted to renounce everything, all women, relationships etc, and it came from a negative, “shun the world” kind of place. When I announced “I was done with that” – it was doomed to failure. I don’t think that choosing from fear and ego works. 4 years ago, my sexual and dating behaviors got to place where it was gross! I was a taker and inauthentic, and I first thought 90 days was a good goal, but, cut to –two weeks later….It didn’t last. I have had a couple of attempts at setting dates but I never lasted to the goal dates.
I personally live in a matrix and I feel I’m living in a dream world and the ego is running shit and I think I’m in charge, and then next comes in hot lady who wants to get to know me. Some people would call that random, but I call that ego – the way to get me stuck back in.
So that happened a few times. Until early November…this time it wasn’t something I told myself I needed to do, It was something I wanted to do. I was having an hour-long conversation with my teacher, and I was suffering and sharing about dating a great girl. But I knew there was something missing. I just felt like it was something I was doing because that’s what we’re “supposed to do”.
That was two months ago.
Me – What is your personal belief around the ego? Is there anything positive about the ego?
CGF – NO. The Ego’s job is to make you think it has something good to offer you. But it doesn’t.
Me – So you want to “annihilate” the ego?
CG – from my spiritual practice, the Course of Miracles…from the thought of being separate from God, in that second of separateness, the Ego was created. God is not half and half; everything outside of God is Ego. God is oneness, Ego is separateness. It’s anything outside of love.
You can either choose God in any moment, or you can choose ego. Some people call it the devil, or fear, I call it ego. I don’t’ really seek to annihilate the ego but I do seek to be with God.
Me: Do you feel that relationship is possible? An a egoless relationship is possible?
CG – Yes, I think it is possible. In the course of Miracles, either the ego is present or it isn’t. I don’t consider the ego bad. I just think that God is truth.
The ego is running things and I know right now I am not awake. To be on the path of awakening is not the same as being awake, there is a difference. I am practicing to become awaken.
My goal is to be completely focused and committed to God, then Ego can’t exist.
I do believe it’s possible in relationship to be God focused and not ego focused. If I’m really free and trust the essence of God, then I know that I will be fulfilled in every way.
Me: have you done any practices of the tantric or Taoists sexual exploration with anyone?
CGF– No.
Me - … Just a thought to share with you….Men learning about “injaculation” for their health and gaining energy every time they orgasm, instead of loose their life-force every-time they ejaculate is another way to become more conscious with sex and your body. It also changes the way you relate to and see women.
What is your spiritual path?
CGF – I don’t really have a path. If I did have a path, it would be truth. I don’t believe there are 50 truths. I’m still a young student in the Course of Miracles to speak about it accurately…But I do believe there is just one truth.
Me – love….
CGF – yes, God is love. I just let go of what that’s going to look like.
Me – If you were to make a goal with your celibacy right now, what would it be? I know it’s tricky because the ego wants to know the goal and create it in the first place, although I feel my higher-self created this goal for me, maybe it was my ego
CG – it’s hard for me to answer that because my goal is truth. I was sitting with a friend the other day, and this friend always says “ there’s nothing to work on, nothing to fix, nothing to get….You’re already flawless, you are love, and God is incomplete without me…” and so when I think of the goal of celibacy I have none. It is just something I’m trying. I can’t say what it should look like, except true love. So I can’t make a goal other than waking up from the matrix…
But knowing that ego is present, and the average human is letting the ego run the show. If I had a goal for this celibacy, it would be to help each woman to wake up to their own truth, get home to God, and how I can serve them as best as possible for their life. Just to be giving without taking. I have nothing to get – and, not with just women, but with everyone.
Me: I feel amazing with the relationships I’m having with men. I feel like I’m going back to a time where it wasn’t about getting something from men, now it’s just being with men. I am making incredible friends, filled with truth and honesty, love and respect.
CGF – I want to have the same love, same care with everyone. I don’t’ want to have a special love with one person. What I believe is that everyone is love.
My teacher hasn’t been in a relationship in 10 years. He is totally content.
Me – I didn’t believe there was great benefit from practicing celibacy. Now I am in the experience of being more vulnerable and authentic with everyone. It’s not that I believe everyone should do it, but I do feel the great benefit…
CGF – It’s not about being celibacy, it’s about being the best human I can possibly be. For me, in my personal relationships with women, I couldn’t have friends that were women…I had at least a thought of having sex with them…But now, I am able to be friends. Now, my girlfriend’s say they feel so safe hugging me.
Me and CGF – We are both so grateful for the conversation…
It was a pleasure to meet with such a sweet soul on a path to being his true self and being authentic in all areas of his life. Was great to learn about this path…I am inspired and feel supported to know others are practicing this and getting great benefit.
Power to the Celibates ☺